AccueilAccueil  PortailPortail  FAQFAQ  RechercherRechercher  S'enregistrerS'enregistrer  MembresMembres  GroupesGroupes  Connexion  

Partagez | 
 

 PA indiens

Voir le sujet précédent Voir le sujet suivant Aller en bas 
Aller à la page : Précédent  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 11 ... 18  Suivant
AuteurMessage
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 09 Jan 2007, 12:01

Citation :
WORK UP FOR WAR
Between August and October, the Captain of VIKRANT worked up his group of ships. At first, a few of the slower Alize aircraft landed and were launched. Then Seahawk fighter aircraft were landed and launched. Slowly but surely all aircraft were worked up for operational tasks.
In mid September, FOCINCEAST embarked in VIKRANT off Visakhapatnam. His book states: (Page 31)
"I took the ships out to sea and took them through a gruelling pace culminating in a simulated fleet attack on Visakhapatnam. But I was far from satisfied either with the efficiency attained by the fleet working as a whole or with the defences of Visakhapatnam. There was a lot of leeway to be made up, so even more intensive programmes were drawn up."
On 24 September, Naval Headquarters issued its Operational Directive giving FOCINCEAST the following tasks:
-Destruction of enemy forces and shipping
-Strike enemy ports and bases and, where possible, provide support to ground forces
-Deny access to East Bengal of ships of all nations, by contraband control and/or blockade when ordered
-Secure own ports and bases, including the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.
Rear Admiral SH Sarma was appointed FOCEF designate and arrived Visakhapatnam on 14 October.
In mid October, Naval Headquarters signalled that Pakistan may launch a pre-emptive attack. All ships interrupted their maintenance and came to immediate readiness. The alarm receded. After further work up in October, ships participated in the second phase of tactical exercises, culminating in a mock attack on Visakhapatnam during the night of 26/27 October. VIKRANT returned to Madras to resume maintenance.
The Eastern Fleet was formally constituted on 1 November 1971. On 6 November, the Chief of the Naval Staff embarked for a day's exercises. All ships sailed from Madras on 13 November and assembled in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. The intention was that in the final stages, when hostilities were imminent, the Fleet, and especially the VIKRANT, would be secreted away at a remote anchorage, with no means of communication with the outside world, where ships could complete their readiness. Concurrently, deception messages started being originated to give everybody the impression that VIKRANT was still operating between Madras and Visakhapatnam. The submarine, KHANDERI, was sailed for her patrol area in mid November with orders to return to harbour on 14 December.
The other measures taken to sustain operations in remote waters were:
(a) The ballast tanks of the old World War II landing ship MAGAR were modified to carry furnace fuel oil to supply to VIKRANT in distant anchorages.
(b) VIKRANT provided her escorts with fuel, water, bread and workshop facilities.
On 21 November, Indian and Pakistan troops clashed at Bayra in East Pakistan. On 22 November, FOC-IN-C EAST proceeded to Delhi, where all the Commanders in Chief of the Army, Navy and Air Force briefed the three Service Chiefs and the Defence Minister on their Command's plan for war. That night President Yahya Khan of Pakistan announced that he would be away fighting a war in the next ten days. On 23 November, a state of Emergency was declared in Pakistan. On 2 December, the Eastern Fleet sailed towards its patrol area in anticipation of Pakistani preemptive attack.
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Bill
Capitaine de vaisseau
Capitaine de vaisseau
avatar

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 4198
Age : 45
Ville : ca vat, ca vient.... j'ai un metier !
Emploi : glorieux et beau
Date d'inscription : 26/06/2006

MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 09 Jan 2007, 12:11

loody british boiler isn't ? with rivet !!!!! then don't know welding when them buil this ship ?!

well your admiral and the crew was heroic and certainly lucky on this story

I am surprise that 14knots is enought for launch the Skyhawk with catapult, but of course, depend too at the wind

just remember a Mig 29 is not a Skyhawk

If I good remember, the Russian idea about the 60000 tonns aircraft carrier like Variag and Kuznetzov, slighty bigger at the Gorshkov isn't, is to only use the airplanes for air combat,because them was not able to launch a fully load Mig 29, unless a stable typhoon cross the deck
lol!

then, the airplanes is only fit with air to air missiles, and not with air/surface or air/ground stuff, only here for air defense or reco.
Is for that reason the main weapons of the carrier was a buch of VLS fitt with SS N 12 if I good remember

a second role for the aircraft carrier, according the russian idea, is the escort far off shore off bomber based on shore against air threats
too the Mig29 is only fit with air/air weapons

but of course, if you get new boiler in your carrier, should be ok
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 09 Jan 2007, 12:30

lol! They opearted Alizes most of the time. On december 8 1971, none of the Sea Hawks flew. Actually they depended on the winds to provide additional lift.

But again , INS Vikramadtya will have a bow ski-jump angled at 12°. This will enable MiG-29 to take off with stores.
Do you think, MiG-29 K will have Rocket assisted take off too? The deck and ski jump are sufficient for a full load MiG-29K?

But again the question, isn't the new boilers less rated than the earlier boilers Gorshkov had?

=====================

Citation :
12 DECEMBER 1971
Air Strikes
Wind conditions improved considerably after two days of no wind conditions and a number of air strikes were launched. Admiral Krishnan's book states:
"I owe it to the gallant Captain of the VIKRANT to tell the story of that day in his own words: (Page 62 et seq).
"VIKRANT steamed north in order to launch a Seahawk strike with optimum ammunition possible, by reducing aircraft fuel. From 0600 onwards, 29 Seahawk strikes armed with 500 pound bombs and rocket projectiles were flown against shipping and other targets around Chittagong. The very first strike made at least six direct hits on the runway and rendered it unserviceable.
"The second strike of four Seahawks armed with rockets was launched against the merchant shipping in harbour. They attacked two merchant ships leaving harbour with 6 to 8 direct hits and another two inside the harbour with 13 to 15 hits. Moderate to heavy gunfire was still being experienced from inside the harbour and although one aircraft received a
direct hit on the canopy which was shattered, all aircraft returned to the carrier safely.
"Flight operations were slightly interrupted at 0945 when VIKRANT had a breakdown. The defect was however rectified most expeditiously and the ship was under way again at 1035, resuming flight operations at 1100.
"Two strikes of 4 Seahawks each, armed with bombs were launched again at 1100 and 1115 respectively. Targets once again were the airfield and shipping at Chittagong. The first strike consisted of three Seahawks. The runway was once again bombed and a hit was observed on the intersection of the runway. Gun positions on the airfield were silenced. The first strike also carried out photo reconnaissance of the area. The second division attacked three merchant ships off Gupta Point with rockets scoring direct hits on the superstructure. Medium AA fire was experienced over the target area. One Seahawk returned with a shattered wind screen.
"Another strike of four Seahawks was launched at 1315 against shipping at Chittagong. Aircraft were armed with 500 pound bombs and scored direct hits on two merchantmen of 10,000 and 15,000 tons each.
"While air strikes over Chittagong airfield and shipping were continuing, a call for air strike on troops and vehicle concentrations at Kaptai was received from the Army at about 1300. Four Seahawks were launched at 1340 for the target area.
"The last strike of four Seahawks on 12 December 1971 was launched at 1530 armed with two 500 pound bombs each. The enemy airfield and shipping was once again struck causing heavy damages."
The results of the day's work were summed up by FOCEF in a signal to FOCINCEAST as follows:
"BE PLEASED TO REPORT THAT AT THE END OF TWENTY-FOUR HOURS OF CONTINUOUS SORTIES COMMENCING 111930 INVOLVING CONSTANT ALIZE RECCE AND BOMBING AND TWENTY EIGHT HAWK SORTIES, COX'S BAZAR AND CHITTAGONG AIRFIELD HAVE BEEN RENDERED INOPERATIVE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THERE IS NO MERCHANT SHIP OF ANY SIZE IN THE CHITTAGONG HARBOUR OR APPROACHES WHICH HAS NOT BEEN STRUCK AND INCAPACITATED. THERE IS A COMPLETE ABSENCE OF SHIPPING ALONG THE ENTIRE COAST FROM CHALNA EASTWARD THROUGH MEGHNA SANDWIP UP TO COX'S BAZAR AND SOUTHWARD."
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 09 Jan 2007, 13:08

Citation :
VIKRANT'S AIR OPERATIONS 1971
When asked what were his greatest worries and VIKRANT's close calls during the 1971 war, Captain Parkash recalls:
(a) Operating Seahawk aircraft in marginal wind conditions.
(b) One day, the after lift got stuck because one of the twelve keeps would not retract. Two Seahawks were waiting to be recovered and were running low on fuel. A huge hammer had to be used to blunt the nose of the stuck keep, after which the aft lift unstuck and the aircraft landed just in time. Had this not seen successful, both Seahawks would have had to ditch.
(c) The flooding of the forward machinery space. One of the turbo generators had low vacuum because its condenser needed cleaning. In peacetime, this would only have been attempted in harbour. It was decided to attempt this at sea. The inlet and outlet valves were 20 feet below the waterline and operated by rod gearing. The top plate of the turbo generator suction filter was loosened for cleaning the filter before opening the condenser door. Within minutes water came gushing in. One of the valves had not been fully shut and the water was coming past the loosened plate. The situation was saved by the 1000 ton pump in the machinery space.
Vice Admiral (then Lt Cdr) Bhushan was the Senior Engineer of VIKRANT. He recalls this incident:
"When I arrived in the Forward Engine Room, I observed nearly a foot high flow of water emerging from the turbo generator sea water strainer housing. My senior watchkeeper, Lt KS Bhasin - no lightweight himself - was actually sitting on the strainer cover in an effort to make it seat against the flow of water, but without much success. After unsuccessfully trying all other means of stopping the flow, I asked for the largest available wheel spanner to be brought. When it came, we used it to close the seawater suction and discharge valves and to our immense relief, the flow stopped."
(d) On 11 Dec, Lt Cdr Ramsagar's Alize, whilst attacking a camouflaged boat carrying troops was hit by small arms fire which caused a total hydraulic failure. He managed to operate the landing gear manually and land by the skin of his teeth. His was the heaviest damaged aircraft of the war.
(e) VIKRANT's fuel state became a cause of worry on 13 and 14 Dec, when it came below 25%.


DAMAGE INFLICTED BY VIKRANT'S AIR STRIKES
Admiral Krishnan's book states: (Page 64).
"The following wrecks of large merchant ships sunk, run aground or split into two were identified:
KARNAPHULI 6876 GRT
SURMA 5890 GRT
AL ABBAS 9142 GRT
ANIS BAKSH 6273 GRT
OCEAN ENTERPRISE 5909 GRT
MATERAN 1198 GRT
UNIDENTIFIED SHIP 1800 GRT
MAIHAR 5938 GRT
RANGAMATI 5888 GRT
TWO UNIDENTIFIED SHIPS CAPSIZED - APPROX. 8000 GRT
TOTAL 56,914 TONS
In addition to the above 57 thousand tons of merchant ships, PNS JESSORE, COMILLA and SYLHET were destroyed
".
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
clausewitz
Vice-amiral d'Escadre
Vice-amiral d'Escadre
avatar

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 9329
Age : 33
Ville : Nantes
Emploi : Agent de sécurité
Date d'inscription : 22/12/2005

MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 09 Jan 2007, 13:16

thanks for this informations

_________________
"Le patriote est celui qui aime son pays, le nationaliste est celui qui déteste les autres" (D. Likhatchev)
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 09 Jan 2007, 15:39

Pour moi, STOBAR n'est pas une solution viable.
N'importe quel avion lance par catapultage sera plus efficace (rayon d'action, armement, carburant).
Et ca reste valable meme devant le F-35 ADAV.
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
clausewitz
Vice-amiral d'Escadre
Vice-amiral d'Escadre
avatar

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 9329
Age : 33
Ville : Nantes
Emploi : Agent de sécurité
Date d'inscription : 22/12/2005

MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 09 Jan 2007, 16:05

Je ne connais pas le niveau exact du Mig 29K mais cela doit être pas mal même si sa capacité offensive doit être plus faible qu'un Rafale ou un F18. Je pense que cela peut être un bon compromis pour des marines qui ont les moyens et qui souhaitent une aviation embarquée plus efficace que celle proposée par les Harrier ou les F35 mais qui pour des raisons economiques ou politiques ne peuvent s'équiper de catapultes qui est une technologie sous monopole americain

_________________
"Le patriote est celui qui aime son pays, le nationaliste est celui qui déteste les autres" (D. Likhatchev)
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
Bill
Capitaine de vaisseau
Capitaine de vaisseau
avatar

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 4198
Age : 45
Ville : ca vat, ca vient.... j'ai un metier !
Emploi : glorieux et beau
Date d'inscription : 26/06/2006

MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 09 Jan 2007, 16:21

puis bon, des Mig 29 pour ouvrir la voix a des TU22 Backfire que l'Inde s'est egalement procures, ca se tient

ce n'est pas le tout de dire que les Stobar ce n'est pas bien, il faut que l'Inde se trouve une solution
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mer 10 Jan 2007, 02:01

Les portes-avions indiens portent le signe ADS (Air Defense Ship).
Faut que je me renseigne sur leur doctrine d'emploi actuelle et prevue pour ces navires dans leur contexte.
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mer 10 Jan 2007, 06:44

Francois a écrit:
Les portes-avions indiens portent le signe ADS (Air Defense Ship).
Faut que je me renseigne sur leur doctrine d'emploi actuelle et prevue pour ces navires dans leur contexte.

Francois, here is the strategy, This article is written by Rajat Pandit who is not considered credible source, but writes for one of the leading Indian newspaper I know its a contradiction lol!



Link

One of the carrier battle groups will be centred around the ageing but still powerful 28,000-tonne aircraft carrier INS Viraat, while the other will be led by INS Vikramaditya, the rechristened 44,570-tonne Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier currently undergoing a re-fit in Russia.

Each of the carrier battle group will also include two to three guided-missile destroyers, two multi-purpose frigates, two attack submarines and a tanker, among other warships.
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mer 10 Jan 2007, 07:18

Je ne trouve pas l'article de Pandit.
J'ai bien celui de l'Adm. Prakash.

Sorry, I have it (short one).
F.
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mer 10 Jan 2007, 07:49

This is the news by Pandit.
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
clausewitz
Vice-amiral d'Escadre
Vice-amiral d'Escadre
avatar

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 9329
Age : 33
Ville : Nantes
Emploi : Agent de sécurité
Date d'inscription : 22/12/2005

MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mer 10 Jan 2007, 11:31

J'ai entendu que les ADS pourraient être equipés de missiles de croisière à charge nucléaire, quelqu'un à des infos ?

_________________
"Le patriote est celui qui aime son pays, le nationaliste est celui qui déteste les autres" (D. Likhatchev)
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mer 10 Jan 2007, 19:42

j'ignorais que l'Inde possédais des armes nucléaires Confused
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mer 10 Jan 2007, 19:52

OH que oui l'Inde possède des armes nucléaire... Et le Pakistan aussi....
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mer 10 Jan 2007, 20:05

Kaj a écrit:
OH que oui l'Inde possède des armes nucléaire... Et le Pakistan aussi....

Shocked Confused Shocked
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Jeu 11 Jan 2007, 09:47

Boulet
1) ADS is an Aircraft Carrier. None of the Indian navy Ships are having nuclear devices.
2) There is a Naval version of prithvi of 250 Kms range which is capable of carrying nuclear warhead. The missile is deployed on an “experimental basis” on board certain combat ships but not with nuclear warhed.

ADS or any Aircraft carrier will not be deployed on Pakistani coast. It will be foolish to do it. IN aircraft carriers are not Pakistan centric. Aircraft carrie can be deployed (if deployed against Pakistan ) in Arabian sea for sea lane control.
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Ven 12 Jan 2007, 18:33

Le VIRAAT
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Ven 12 Jan 2007, 19:09

Revenir en haut Aller en bas
X07
Lieutenant de vaisseau
Lieutenant de vaisseau


Masculin
Nombre de messages : 2873
Age : 51
Ville :
Emploi :
Date d'inscription : 31/08/2006

MessageSujet: INS carriers   Sam 13 Jan 2007, 13:53

Est ce que quelqu'un à des images récentes sur l'ADS (plans, photos de synthèse, maquette...), ou sur l'avancée des travaux du Vikramaditiya?
Merci
X Cool
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Lun 15 Jan 2007, 06:05



LE Air Defence Ship
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
X07
Lieutenant de vaisseau
Lieutenant de vaisseau


Masculin
Nombre de messages : 2873
Age : 51
Ville :
Emploi :
Date d'inscription : 31/08/2006

MessageSujet: INC   Lun 15 Jan 2007, 12:17

pas plus récent, Chacko?
Merci en tous cas...
X Cool
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
Invité
Invité



MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Mar 16 Jan 2007, 07:49

C'est la derniers image/schéma libéré. Mais soyez sûr, je signalera si anthing nouveau est soulevé !

salut
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
X07
Lieutenant de vaisseau
Lieutenant de vaisseau


Masculin
Nombre de messages : 2873
Age : 51
Ville :
Emploi :
Date d'inscription : 31/08/2006

MessageSujet: PA indiens   Dim 04 Fév 2007, 16:13

une belle petite maquette du futur ADS INS Vikrant sur Barak R.
Enjoy:







Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
MM 40
Elève officier
Elève officier


Masculin
Nombre de messages : 1231
Age : 40
Ville : Lyon
Emploi : Enseignant
Date d'inscription : 05/11/2006

MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   Dim 04 Fév 2007, 16:37

Merci pour les photos de la maquette!
Revenir en haut Aller en bas
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur
Contenu sponsorisé




MessageSujet: Re: PA indiens   

Revenir en haut Aller en bas
 
PA indiens
Voir le sujet précédent Voir le sujet suivant Revenir en haut 
Page 4 sur 18Aller à la page : Précédent  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 11 ... 18  Suivant
 Sujets similaires
-
» Autour des Indiens d'Amérique : Jim Fergus et autres auteurs
» [JEU] GUNS 'N GLORY : Jouer aux cowboys et aux indiens [Gratuit/Donation]
» Les tailles des habits indiens
» Photos de trains indiens et autres
» Proverbes indiens

Permission de ce forum:Vous ne pouvez pas répondre aux sujets dans ce forum
Marine forum :: Les Marines du monde :: Asie :: Inde-
Sauter vers: