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MessageSujet: Programme Mars   Sam 11 Nov 2006, 15:45

Est-ce que quelqu'un a des infos sur le programme "Mars" auquel les Francais devraient participer ?
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MessageSujet: MARS   Ven 17 Nov 2006, 20:29

Salut GD!
désolé, j'avais pas vu ton post avant Wink
regarde ici:

http://navy-matters.beedall.com/mars.htm
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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Lun 18 Déc 2006, 21:35

Vos avis d'expert sur le projet ?
Quid de batiments de ce type dans la MN ? Sont-il adaptés ... ?
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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Sam 29 Déc 2007, 12:28

Salut
La RN viens de lancer son appel d'offres pour 6 navires =

Citation :
The deadline for this government tender / public sector contract notice is 15/02/2008

UK-Bristol: tanker ships

2007/S 239-291103

CONTRACT NOTICE

Supplies

SECTION I: CONTRACTING AUTHORITY

I.1) NAME, ADDRESSES AND CONTACT POINT(S):
Mars IPT Military Afloat Reach & Sustainability (MARS) DE&S, Ash 0a # 3005, MoD Abbey Wood, Contact: Des Mars-Con1, Des Mars-Con2, Attn: Neil Walker or Meirion Edwards, UK-Bristol BS34 8JH. Tel. (44) 011 79 13 22 61. E-mail: DESMARS-Con1@mod.uk. Fax (44) 011 79 13 69 13.
Internet address(es):
General address of the contracting authority: www.afloatsupport.com.
I.2) TYPE OF THE CONTRACTING AUTHORITY AND MAIN ACTIVITY OR ACTIVITIES:
Ministry or any other national or federal authority, including their regional or local sub-divisions.
Defence.
The contracting authority is purchasing on behalf of other contracting authorities: no.

SECTION II: OBJECT OF THE CONTRACT

II.1) DESCRIPTION
II.1.1) Title attributed to the contract by the contracting authority:
UK-Bristol: supply of fleet tankers.
II.1.2) Type of contract and location of works, place of delivery or of performance:
Supplies.
Purchase.
Main place of delivery: Delivery shall be made to the United Kingdom, specific details will be provided with the Invitation to Participate in Dialogue.
II.1.3) The notice involves:
A public contract.
II.1.4) Information on framework agreement:
II.1.5) Short description of the contract or purchase(s):
Tanker ships;
1.Description:
1.1 The Military Afloat Reach and Sustainability (MARS) project is seeking to procure Fleet Tankers (FTs) to be operated by the Royal Fleet Auxiliary (RFA);
1.2 The MARS project aims to obtain quality ships at competitive prices and reduced whole life cost by exploiting commercial best practice and with designs that can demonstrate cost benefits throughout 25 years of service life;
1.3 A detailed description of the FT role within the RFA flotilla, more specific constraints and contractor's responsibilities are given in MARS Fleet Tanker Overview which may be obtained from the MARS Website: www.afloatsupport.com
1.4 FTs must be constructed with quality equipment and material of proven reliability and be:
a.interoperable to NATO standards and with NATO assets;
b. designed to maximise reliability, facilitate ease of maintenance, repair or replacement and minimise through life costs;
c. designed with open architectures that facilitate support and readily enable future capability upgrades and incorporation of emerging technologies;
d. capable of operations worldwide, seasonally unrestricted from Tropical to Arctic (1st Year Ice).
1.5. Indicative characteristics of the FTs are:
a. Petroleum Class II and III clean product compliant, reconfigurable for two grades concurrently with capacity up to 18000 m3;
b. Carriage of 8 fully laden 20ft ISO containers;
c. Potable water cargo capacity of 1300m3;
d. Sustained speed of 15knots in Sea State 5;
e. Range of 7000nm;
f. Replenishment at Sea rigs to include three abeam tensioned jackstay rigs, one astern fuelling reel, single buoy mooring point;
g. Helicopter deck and facilities for maintenance and refuelling;
h. Accommodation for up to 100 persons of mixed gender to UK Flag merchant standards;
i. Ship life of 25 years;
j. OCIMF compliant;
k. Classification to Lloyds Register Naval Ship Rules with Naval Ship Auxiliary notation;
l. Medium speed diesel propulsion operating on MGO fuel;
m. Passage through Panama and Suez canals, maximum draught of 11m, maximum air draught of 39m, maximum length of 220m;
II.1.6) Common procurement vocabulary (CPV):
35112260.
II.1.7) Contract covered by the Government Procurement Agreement (GPA):
Yes.
II.1. Division into lots:
No.
II.1.9) Variants will be accepted:
Yes.
II.2) QUANTITY OR SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT
II.2.1) Total quantity or scope:
Under the contract, the contractor will be responsible for: a.the design, build, outfit and delivery of up to six Fleet Tankers. b.providing support information including drawings, computer models (including CAD models) and operation and maintenance manuals. c.providing safety certification and evidence (logs recording hazards and their mitigation) to support the safety responsibilities of the owner . d.providing training media and the initial training for ship staff. e. Identify, list and present the support items and spares for Initial Provisioning to support the first 2 years worth of maintenance requirements, including overhauls, for each FT.
Estimated value excluding VAT: 800 000 000 GBP.
II.2.2) Options:
II.3) DURATION OF THE CONTRACT OR TIME-LIMIT FOR COMPLETION:

SECTION III: LEGAL, ECONOMIC, FINANCIAL AND TECHNICAL INFORMATION

III.1) CONDITIONS RELATING TO THE CONTRACT
III.1.1) Deposits and guarantees required:
III.1.2) Main financing conditions and payment arrangements and/or reference to the relevant provisions regulating them:
III.1.3) Legal form to be taken by the group of economic operators to whom the contract is to be awarded:
III.1.4) Other particular conditions to which the performance of the contract is subject:
No.
III.2) CONDITIONS FOR PARTICIPATION
III.2.1) Personal situation of economic operators, including requirements relating to enrolment on professional or trade registers:
Information and formalities necessary for evaluating if requirements are met: (a) is bankrupt or is being wound up, where his affairs are being administered by the court, where he has entered into an arrangement with creditors, where he has suspended business activities or is in any analogous situation arising from a similar procedure under national laws and regulations;
(b) is the subject of proceedings for a declaration of bankruptcy, for an order for compulsory winding up or administration by the court or of an arrangement with creditors or of any other similar proceedings under national laws and regulations;
(c) has been convicted by a judgment which has the force of res judicata in accordance with the legal provisions of the country of any offence concerning his professional conduct;
(d) has been guilty of grave professional misconduct proven by any means which the contracting authorities can demonstrate;
(e) has not fulfilled obligations relating to the payment of social security contributions in accordance with the legal provisions of the country in which he is established or with those of the country of the contracting authority;
(f) has not fulfilled obligations relating to the payment of taxes in accordance with the legal provisions of the country in which he is established or with those of the country of the contracting authority;
(g) is guilty of serious misrepresentation in supplying the information required under this Section or has not supplied such information;
(h) has been the subject of a conviction for participation in a criminal organization, as defined in Article 2(1) of Council Joint Action 98/733/JHA;
(i) has been the subject of a conviction for corruption, as defined in Article 3 of the Council Act of 26 May 1972 and Article 3(1) of Council Joint Action 98/742/JHA3 respectively;
(j) has been the subject of a conviction for fraud within the meaning of Article 1 of the Convention relating to the protection of the financial interests of the European Communities;
(k) has been the subject of a conviction for money laundering, as defined in Article 1 of Council Directive 91/308/EEC of 10 June 1991 on prevention of the use of the financial system for the purpose of money laundering.
This information is required in addition to the information requested in Question 1 of the Pre-Qualification Questionnaire.
III.2.2) Economic and financial capacity:
Information and formalities necessary for evaluating if requirements are met: (a) appropriate statements from banks or, where appropriate, evidence of relevant professional risk indemnity insurance;
(b) the presentation of balance-sheets or extracts from the balance-sheets, where publication of the balance-sheet is required under the law of the country in which the economic operator is established;
(c) a statement of the undertaking's overall turnover and, where appropriate, of turnover in the area covered by the contract for a maximum of the last three financial years available, depending on the date on which the undertaking was set up or the economic operator started trading, as far as the information on these turnovers is available.
This information is required in addition to the information requested in Question 11 of the Pre-Qualification Questionnaire.
III.2.3) Technical capacity:
Information and formalities necessary for evaluating if requirements are met: The specific wording and weighting of the Technical Capacity Objective Criteria questions is contained in the Pre-Qualification Questionnaire.
III.2.4) Reserved contracts:
No.
III.3) CONDITIONS SPECIFIC TO SERVICES CONTRACTS
III.3.1) Execution of the service is reserved to a particular profession:
No.
III.3.2) Legal entities should indicate the names and professional qualifications of the staff responsible for the execution of the service:

SECTION IV: PROCEDURE

IV.1) TYPE OF PROCEDURE
IV.1.1) Type of procedure:
Competitive dialogue.
IV.1.2) Limitations on the number of operators who will be invited to tender or to participate:
Envisaged minimum number: 3. Maximum number: 6
Objective criteria for choosing the limited number of candidates: The number of candidates to be Invited to Participate in Dialogue shall be established from the responses to the Pre-Qualification Questionnaire questions.
IV.1.3) Reduction of the number of operators during the negotiation or dialogue:
Recourse to staged procedure to gradually reduce the number of solutions to be discussed or tenders to be negotiated yes.
IV.2) AWARD CRITERIA
IV.2.1) Award criteria:
The most economically advantageous tender in terms of the criteria stated in the specifications, in the invitation to tender or to negotiate or in the descriptive document.
IV.2.2) An electronic auction will be used:
No.
IV.3) ADMINISTRATIVE INFORMATION
IV.3.1) File reference number attributed by the contracting authority:
AFSUP/0001.
IV.3.2) Previous publication(s) concerning the same contract:
No.
IV.3.3) Conditions for obtaining specifications and additional documents or descriptive document
Payable documents: no.
IV.3.4) Time-limit for receipt of tenders or requests to participate:
15.2.2008 - 10:00.
IV.3.5) Date of dispatch of invitations to tender or to participate to selected candidates:
IV.3.6) Language(s) in which tenders or requests to participate may be drawn up:
English.
IV.3.7) Minimum time frame during which the tenderer must maintain the tender:
IV.3. Conditions for opening tenders:
Persons authorised to be present at the opening of tenders: no.

SECTION VI: COMPLEMENTARY INFORMATION

VI.1) THIS IS A RECURRENT PROCUREMENT:
No.
VI.2) CONTRACT RELATED TO A PROJECT AND/OR PROGRAMME FINANCED BY EU FUNDS:
No.
VI.3) ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
Companies expressing an interest in tendering for this requirement will be required to complete a Pre-Qualification Questionnaire, which will be provided to them on receipt of an Email request to the Contact Point address at Section I.1. Companies shall be required to provide supporting documentation to their answers;
Completed Pre-Qualification Questionnaires shall be returned to the address in Section I.1 in one hard copy and one electronic version. Electronic responses shall be submitted in Microsoft Office XP compatible format. Responses to each individual question in Part 2 of the Pre-Qualification Questionnaire shall be no more than 2 pages (4 sides)of narrative in arial 11pt Font;
For the purposes of Section II.1.9 of this notice, a maximum of 2 solutions during the Competitive Dialogue procedure shall be the permitted;
For the purposes of Section II.2.1, the figure is that estimated for up to 6 Fleet Tankers.
For the purposes of Section IV.1.2 of this notice, the number of companies to receive an Invitation to Participate in Dialogue shall be at the discretion of the Authority by reference to the scoring of the responses of the Pre-Qualification Questionnaire. Company scores shall be recorded in the Commerce Decisions Ltd AWARD electronic Tender Assessment Tool.
GO reference: GO 07121033/01.
VI.4) PROCEDURES FOR APPEAL
VI.4.1) Body responsible for appeal procedures:
VI.4.2) Lodging of appeals:
VI.4.3) Service from which information about the lodging of appeals may be obtained:
VI.5) DATE OF DISPATCH OF THIS NOTICE:
10.12.2007.

Donc en gros=
6 navires pour 800 millions de livres
Equipage + passagers = 100 personnes
1 pont hélicos (pas de hangar ????)
Vitesse = 15 noeuds
18000M3 de gazoil
1300M3 d'eau
Dimensions = 220 x 11 m
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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Lun 31 Déc 2007, 09:36

Salut
2 vues de ce à quoi pourrait ressembler les MARS =



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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Mer 02 Jan 2008, 15:58

Intéressant, dadou. MoD Abbey Wood je comprends - mais c'est quoi ''UK-Bristol''? (avec code postal quelque part dans la ville de Bristol, où se trouve un complexe de batiments du Ministry of Defence)? Existe-t-il un lien quelconque entre ces derniers?
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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Sam 16 Fév 2008, 10:23

les 6 futurs grands ravitailleurs anglais pourrait etre construit.......en corée du sud ! affraid

je cite:

" S. Korean-U.K. Team to Bid for British Naval Tanker Program

By ANDREW CHUTER
LONDON
An Anglo-South Korean consortium led by BAE Systems has become the first team to declare its interest in building six tanker ships for the British
Royal Fleet Auxiliary (RFA) in the first phase of the Defence Ministry’s Maritime Afloat Reach and Sustainability program. BAE, Britain’s biggest shipbuilder, announced a team involving BMT Defence Services and Korean shipbuilder Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering on Feb. 15, the same day industry responses to a pre-qualifying questionnaire on the tankers had to be returned to the MoD. The Surface Fleet Solutions business of BAE will act as lead contractor and program manager. BMT, the British company that designed the two 65,000-ton aircraft carriers planned for the Royal Navy, will provide the tanker design. Daewoo will build the ships in South Korea. K.W. Cheong, director of special ship management at Daewoo, said, “This is an excellent opportunity for cooperation between our two countries; the U.K. being the home of naval shipbuilding and Korea as the hub of commercial shipbuilding. I think the combination of BAE Systems’ extensive naval domain knowledge with our own skills and resources will produce excellent results.” David Rainford, commercial director of BMT Defence Services, said, “As a relatively small, innovative organization, we are pleased with the smooth and positive fashion in which BAE Systems has welcomed us as their design partner. Through a commercial approach we will be able to provide a simple yet effective fleet tanker.” The British are pushing ahead with the program as current RFA single-hull tankers do not meet maritime safety standards. More than a dozen foreign and British companies are expected to respond to the prequalification questionnaire. Those numbers will be reduced to about six bidders and cut to a maximum of three later this year before the MoD selects a winner. The first ship is expected in service by 2012. In an unusual move, the competition has been thrown open to foreign shipyards, a decision that could potentially cause controversy here. It’s hoped that big commercial yards like Daewoo will allow the cash-strapped MoD to acquire the tankers at a reduced price compared with building them at naval yards in Britain. In addition, the tanker construction timetable clashes with Britain’s plan to build the two aircraft carriers. The warships, the biggest ever built here, will soak up for several years virtually all of the capacity in the few British shipyards still in operation. The carrier program is scheduled to get the go-ahead in the next few weeks. However, doubts remain over the exact timing of the construction. Currently, the plan is to have the first of the two warships in service during 2014. But that timetable would leave no capacity here to build at least the first three tankers in local yards. Nevertheless, BAE has left the door open to have the tankers built in Britain if any slippage in the carrier program creates gaps in workload. Vic Emery, managing director of BAE Systems Surface Fleet Solutions, said, “While it is intended that all vessels will be constructed in Korea, a unique feature the consortium offers, in terms of flexibility, is the ability to provide a U.K. build option, should such an approach become necessary.” The Maritime Afloat Reach and Sustainability program will become part of the workload of the proposed maritime jointventure between BAE Systems and VT Group, to be called BVT Surface
Fleet upon its completion. The tanker fleet is part of a 2 billion-pound ($3.9 billion) effort to upgrade RFA logistics capabilities. Further classes of ships eventually will be built, updating British capabilities for forward aviation support, delivery of bulk consumables other than oil, and providing sea-based logistics ships able to deliver ammunition, food and other supplies. It’s not clear yet whether the British will allow these ships also to be built overseas.

source article:
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=3375758&C=europe

bref,
avec la construction en angleterre des 2 gros PA, les chantiers navals anglais n'aurait peut etre pas la capacité a construire les 6 ravitailleurs
il se pourrait que les sud coréens les construisent ! affraid
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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Sam 16 Fév 2008, 11:28

les hollandais ont bien construits la coque du Johannes de Witt en Roumanie et les BPC contiennent un nombre non négligeable d'élements fabriqués en Pologne alors je vois pas ce qu'il y à d'étonant

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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Ven 27 Jan 2012, 11:39

Du nouveau pour le programme MARS : les quatre navires prévus seront italiens ou sud-coréens

http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=118562&u=152&xtor=EPR-56-%5bnewsletter%5d-20120127-%5barticle%5d

Apparemment, c'est mort pour une éventuelle coopération avec la France

Vive l'Europe de la Défense Mr.Red

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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Ven 24 Fév 2012, 16:31


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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Lun 12 Mar 2012, 16:42

C'est étonnant le peu de réaction et de commentaire. En clair:

La Royal Fleet Auxiliary va faire construire quatre pétroliers à double coque en Corée du Sud

Le choix porte sur la qualité du navire (sur plan Britannique), son coût d'aquisition et de maintenance.
La question est: quid de l'industrie navale Britannique, que les gouvernements UK essaient de sauver avec la construction des CVF et des Astute? Quid de la préférence communautaire, lorsqu'un chantier Sud Coréen est préféré à un chantier Italien, Espagnol, Allemand, Neerlandais ou Français? Quid de la coopération Européenne, alors qu'il semblait que les projets Français et Anglais auraient pu se rapprocher?

Europe de la défense? c'est quoi?

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MessageSujet: Re: Programme Mars   Lun 12 Mar 2012, 17:17

X07 a écrit:
C'est étonnant le peu de réaction et de commentaire. En clair:

La Royal Fleet Auxiliary va faire construire quatre pétroliers à double coque en Corée du Sud

Le choix porte sur la qualité du navire (sur plan Britannique), son coût d'aquisition et de maintenance.
La question est: quid de l'industrie navale Britannique, que les gouvernements UK essaient de sauver avec la construction des CVF et des Astute? Quid de la préférence communautaire, lorsqu'un chantier Sud Coréen est préféré à un chantier Italien, Espagnol, Allemand, Neerlandais ou Français? Quid de la coopération Européenne, alors qu'il semblait que les projets Français et Anglais auraient pu se rapprocher?

Europe de la défense? c'est quoi?

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Comme le dit Jean Dominique Merchet "Europe de la Défense : la grande illusion"

Et dire que François "M. petites blagues" Hollande veut la relancer Thumb down

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