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MessageSujet: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyJeu 24 Aoû 2006, 19:23

c'est le programme phare de la Royal New Zealand Navy dans les années à venir. Ce projet vise à acquerir un navire mutirôle essentiellement destiné au transport opérationnel,aux opérations amphibies et à l'assistance humanitaire, des patrouilleurs de haute mer et des patrouilleurs côtiers. C'est la société austalienne Tenix qui à remporté le marché et va fournir un Multi-rôle Vessel ou MRV de 8870 tonnes, deux Offshore Patrol Vessel ou OPV de 1600 tonnes et 4 Inshore Patrol Vessel ou IPV de 350 tonnes. Le MRV pourra transporter une compagnie d'infanterie de 250 hommes avec ses vehicules mais pourra aussi participer à des missions humanitaires. Les OPV pourront eux embarquer un Seasprite et grâce à leur coque renforcée, ils pourront patrouiller dans les eaux Antarctiques. les IPV seont des navires de 56m derivés des patrouilleurs type San Juan livrés à la marine philippine. Le MRV doit entrer en service en decembre 2006, les OPV en mai et novembre 2007 et les 4 IPV entre fevrier 2007 et janvier 2008 (d'après le numero 94 de Marines et Forces Navale de decembre 2004-janvier 2005)
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Citation :
Multi-Role Vessel

Overview
The Tenix 131-metre MRV meets or exceeds all operational requirements, including those for cargo and troop carriage, speed, endurance, helicopter operations and the secondary role of Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) patrol and response.
The MRV is within the budget price cap and will be built by Merwede Shipyard, a subsidiary Company of IHC Caland N.V.
Based on a Ro-Ro solution currently operating in the Irish Sea, this vessel has been specifically modified by the original designer to meet Protector’s requirements for administrative landings in the nominated sea states.
Analysis by AMOG Consulting confirms that this method of operation is a low risk, cost effective solution for the sea states and speed of unloading requirements. Tenix also engaged the Australian Department of Defence (DoD) to analyse other aspects of the MRV operations from a sea state perspective.

Flexible Cargo Operations
The large cargo space of the Tenix MRV exceeds both lane length and width requirements. Furthermore, the proposed cargo layouts ensure efficient, internal carriage of 100% of the cargo with helicopters and heavy vehicles stowed separately.
The sea containers are stowed in a single layer for ease of forklift handling. Should access be required during transit, at least one end of the sea containers can be opened. Should landing priorities change during transit, there is room to re-organise the cargo in the large preparation area provided.
The loading and unloading method is flexible. It can be completed with or without shore infrastructure, using a combination of cranes, helicopters, landing craft, boats, side ramp, stern ramp and flight deck hatches. Within the ship a service lift, forklift and pallet trucks are used for ease of movement.

EEZ Patrol and Response Operations
The Tenix MRV is fully equipped for EEZ patrol and response. Specifically, the design provides for a gentle roll period when empty at loiter speeds through the inclusion of active anti-roll tank stabilisation, bilge keels, and the wide beam and hull lines of a passenger ferry. The proposed sea boat, helicopter facilities and gun provide a measured peacetime enforcement capability.

Helicopter Operations
Recognising the importance of the MRV’s training and operation role, helicopter facilities provided in the MRV have been designed to replicate those of the ANZAC frigates in service with the RNZN. The Australian DoD’s independent analysis of the MRV platform indicates that helicopters can be launched and recovered at the top of sea state 5.
Spacious hangar, aviation offices, workshop and stores have been provided for the embarked flight.

Mission System
The MRV mission suite is a customised version of a common system provided across the Tenix proposed Protector fleet. This provides for common training, documentation and spares, thereby reducing whole-of-life ownership costs.
The mission system has been designed to be simple and low cost, but effective, and to integrate with existing RNZN systems.
Ship-to-Shore Transfer
Two LCMs are offered and are designed as straightforward ship’s boats rather than complicated, autonomous landing craft.

LCM launch to sea state 3 is assured.

A safe, practical marriage with the MRV is assured for ease of unloading in the required sea states. The Tenix ship-to-shore solution incorporates design modifications based on advice received from AMOG Consulting. It also incorporates design improvements based on AMOG’s recent extensive operational experience.
Beach matting assists vehicles to the high water mark.

Personnel Comfort

The MRV has been designed to maximise personnel comfort. Particular emphasis has been placed on the ease of movement of fully equipped troops within the vessel and during disembarkation. The resulting design ensures:

* Troops have the facilities to arrive fresh, clean, fit and well fed
* Troops can move easily through wide passage ways, ladders and doors
* Comfortable, spacious facilities, especially with ensuite bathrooms, for all ship’s company, civil officers and trainees exceed the requirement.

Onboard Facilities
The design of the onboard facilities has produced spacious living spaces, offices, stores, lockers and workshops that comply with all requirements. Excellent facilities are also provided for client agency officials.
There are two galleys.
A high standard VIP accommodation suite is also proposed.

les caracteristiques du MRV
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Platform Characteristics
Length Overall : 131m
Waterline : 115m
Beam : 23.4m

Draught Sealift : 5.60m
Patrol : 4.76m

Displacement : Sealift : 8870t
Patrol : 7200t

Complement Navy : 63 hommes
Army : 7 hommes
Civil : 4 hommes

Additional : Trainees : 35
: Army : 250

Performance
Speeds : Max : 19.8kts
: Top (normal) : 19.3kts
: Economical : 16kts

Range : Standard : 6000nm
: Option : 8000nm

Endurance : Core Complement : 40 days
: Core Plus 185 : 35 days


la suite mais concernant le projet OPV (Offshore Patrol Vessel)
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Citation :
Offshore Patrol Vessel


Overview
Tenix offers two 85-metre OPVs to meet the required 420 days of offshore patrol. This assumes supplementation of 100 days by the MRV.
In Service Design
Variations of this design are in service with the Irish Navy (since 1999) and the Mauritian Coast Guard (since 1996). The vessel is compliant with all of the operational requirements for patrol and response, cargo carriage and handling, sea keeping for sea boat and helicopter operations, and has a high level of comfort for crew and client agency officials.

Modified to Suit New Zealand Requirement and Conditions
The vessel is a third generation development by the designer, KMM, and is based on the original underwater lines. Tenix worked with KMM to modify the design to meet the requirements of minimum manning, New Zealand sea states, helicopter facilities, crew comfort, and cargo stowage and handling needs. The helicopter facilities have been designed to replicate those of the RNZN ANZAC frigates.

EEZ Patrol and Response Operations
The Tenix OPV is fully equipped for EEZ patrol and response operations. The vessel has been specifically modified to enable sea boat and helicopter operations in the required sea states. These operations have been assured by independent, expert analysis by the Australian DoD.
The proposed sea boats, helicopter facilities and gun provide a measured peacetime enforcement capability.

Cargo Operations
Whilst providing a fully compliant cargo capability for Special Forces’ boats and a sea container, the Tenix OPV provides the flexibility to re‑supply offshore bases and island dependencies through a combination of transfers by helicopter, crane and boats.
Mission Systems
The OPV mission suite is a customised version of a common system provided across the Tenix proposed Protector fleet. This allows for common training, documentation and spares, thereby reducing whole‑of‑life ownership costs.
The mission system has been designed to be simple and low cost, but effective, and to integrate with existing RNZN systems.
Risk Reduction Studies
Tenix‑initiated independent risk reduction studies have proven that the OPV offered for Project Protector is compliant with the demanding operational requirements. The studies, conducted by the Australian DoD, included analysis of:
* Sea boat deployment and recovery in sea state 4
* Helicopter launch and recovery in sea state 5
* Ability to patrol in sea state 6 and survive in sea state 9
* Vertrep in sea state 6.

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Platform Characteristics

Length Overall : 85m
Waterline : 77.6m
Beam : 14m
Draught : 3.6m
Displacement : 1583t
Complement : Navy : 45 hommes
: Civil : 4 hommes

Additional : 30 passagers
Performance
Speeds : Baseline : 22kts
: Option : 24kts
: Economical : 12kts
: Loiter : 4-10kts

Range : Standard : 5500nm
: Option : 6000nm

Endurance : 21 days

enfin, dernier element du projet protector, les Inshore Patrol Vessel
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Citation :
Inshore Patrol Vessel

Overview
Tenix offers four, proven design, 55‑metre IPVs to meet the 950 days of inshore patrol. This vessel is more than capable of extending the Crown’s operational envelope to southern ocean patrol duties. To achieve the required patrol days and allow sufficient crew rest, multi-crewing by six crews is required.
The modern and robust Tenix IPV design is derived from the Tenix designed 56-metre Search and Rescue vessel in service with the Philippines Coast Guard since 1990 and further developed for Tenix’s Sea 1444 offer to the RAN.
The IPV is large enough to provide a compliant level of comfort for the crew and client agency officials.
To complete the vessel’s flexibility for close inshore and onshore operations, two highly capable sea boats are provided.
The vessel is large and robust in order to transit rough, open ocean waters between patrol areas. This minimises the requirement to seek shelter whilst on, or transit to, patrol. The vessel is fitted with an active

EEZ Patrol and Response Operations
The Tenix IPV is fully equipped for EEZ patrol and response operations and will provide sea boat deployment and recovery in the required sea state as confirmed by the Australian DoD’s analysis.
The proposed manning permits two sea boats to conduct simultaneous board and search operations.
The sea boats and small arms provide a measured inshore peacetime enforcement capability.

Mission Systems
The IPV mission suite is a customised version of a common system provided across the Tenix proposed Protector fleet. This provides for common training, documentation and spares, thereby reducing whole‑of‑life ownership costs.
The mission system has been designed to be simple and low cost, but effective, and to integrate with existing RNZN systems.
Risk Reduction Studies
Tenix‑initiated independent risk reduction studies have proven that the IPV offered for Project Protector is compliant with the demanding operational requirements. The studies conducted by the Australian DoD included analysis of:
* Sea boat deployment and recovery in sea state 4
* Ability to patrol in sea state 5 and survive in sea state 8
* Vertrep in sea state 5.

Citation :
Platform Characteristics



Length : Overall : 55m
:Waterline : 50.3m
Beam : 9m
Draught : At propellers : 2.9m
Displacement : 340t
Complement : Navy : 20 (+2)
: Civil : 4
Additional : accommodation : 12

Performance

Speeds : Max : 25kts
: Economical12kts
: Loiter : 4-7kts

Range : @ 12 knots à 3000nm
@16 knots : 2000nm

Endurance : More than 7 days


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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 08:12

des petits bateau pour un pays oceanique?....je m interroge..
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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 10:39

Oceanique ?? ils sont perdus dans l'ocean d'accord , mais je pense pas qu'il ait besoin de se projetter si loin qu'un pays comme la France ou la Hollande qui ont encore des iles eloignèe du territoire nationnal lol!

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 12:24

quand tu vois que les IPV font 56m, on peut pas vraiment, les considérer comme de petits navires. Grâce à ses moyens, la RNZN va être beaucoup plus credible dans sa mission de protection de sa ZEE et des accords de défense signés avec les petits états du Pacifique. elle pourra aussi faire valoir son point de vue dans sa relation parfois desequilibré avec ses voisins Aussies. Car les deux grands pays de la zone australe sont presque jumeaux en matière d'equipements militaires: même fusil d'assaut (Steyr AUG ou derivé) mêmes vehicules blindés (M113 puis LAV) mêmes helicoptères de transport (NH90) mêmes helicoptères navals (Seasprite) mêmes Fregates (type Meko ANZAC) et Tenix qui à gagné le programme Protector est une entreprise australienne

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 12:35

quelques nouvelles du programme Protector directement du site officielle de la marine néo-zelandaise (http://www.navy.mil.nz/visit-the-fleet/project-protector/mrv-launch.htm)

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Navy's new MRV launched

The Royal New Zealand Navy's new Multi Role Vessel (MRV) was launched on Saturday 11 February (local time) at the Merwede shipyard in Rotterdam.
Secretary of Defence Graham Fortune and the Deputy Chief of Navy, Commodore Jack Steer attended the launch.
The 9000-tonne MRV is the first of seven ships being built under the Ministry of Defence's $500 million Project Protector. Two Offshore Patrol Vessels are being built in Melbourne, and four Inshore Patrol Vessels are being built in Whangarei.
Defence Minister Phil Goff, who visited the shipyards last weekend, said the speed with which the MRV was being built was impressive, with work having been contracted to four other shipyards in Rotterdam.
"As result, the MRV is being built at an average of 20 tonnes per day and five months later it is ready for launch – on schedule and within budget."
The MRV's superstructure was fitted as one complete block the day after the launch. Once the fit-out and sea trials are complete in late July, it will sail for Melbourne to be fitted with armaments and military communications systems. Final trials will then be conducted before Defence accepts the ship in December.
The MRV has a maximum speed of 19 knots, and is capable of transporting the Army’s Light Armoured Vehicles and Light Operational Vehicles, as well as 250 troops, one Seasprite and four NH90 helicopters. It has two 60-tonne landing craft for situations where port facilities are not available.
Mr Goff said all seven of the Project Protector ships would make an important contribution to New Zealand's security and economic interests, as well increasing our capacity to assist in disaster relief in the Pacific.
"They will be operated by the Navy but they will undertake work for a range of government departments as part of a multi-agency approach to protecting our borders," Mr Goff said.
The Merwede shipyard in Rotterdam is building the MRV under contract to Tenix Defence Ltd, which has the contract to build seven ships for the Royal New Zealand Navy under Project Protector.
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Key dates
April 2005 - steel cut
6 Sep 2005 - keel laid (first module placed on slipway)
11 Feb 2006 - launch
July 2006 - departs Rotterdam for Melbourne
Sept-Dec 2006 - final fit-out
Dec 2006 - acceptance by Ministry of Defence
Jan-Feb 2007 - commissioned into RNZN service
Design
The MRV is based on the Ben My Chree, a roll on-roll off ferry currently operating in the Irish Sea. Design modifications have been made to accommodate specific military requirements such as the addition of helicopter hangers and flight deck, landing craft, cranes and embarked forces accommodation.

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Particulars
Length 131 metres
Beam 23.4 metres
Draught 5.6 metres
Speed 19 knots
Displacement 9000 tonnes
Range 8000 nautical miles at 16 knots
Ice Strengthening Class 1C (operational in up to 40cm unbroken first year ice)
Vehicle capacity 403 lane metres
Container capacity 33
Weapons - 1x25mm naval gun, 2x50 calibre (12.7mm) machine guns
Helicopters Storage for four NH90s plus one Seasprite
Landing Craft - 2
Accommodation Core complement (RNZN) 53
Flight crew (RNZAF) - 10
Army ship’s staff - 7
Government agency personnel - 4
Trainees - 35
Embarked troops - 250
Total - 360

Capabilities

Roles
The principal roles are tactical sealift, patrol and at-sea training for the Navy. It is designed, constructed and fitted out to enable operations in our EEZ, the Pacific and Indian oceans, including waters of the deep southern latitudes, East and South East Asia, the Tasman Sea and, during the months of December to March, in the Ross sea and surrounding areas.

Ship to Shore Transfer

Tactical sealift means the ship must be able to disembark its cargo (up to a Company Group of troops and equipment) without access to port facilities. A typical company group load might consist of 16 Light Armoured Vehicles, 14 Light Operational Vehicles (Pinzgauers), 7 Unimogs, 2 ambulances, 2 flat bed trucks, 7 LOV trailers, 2 Rough Terrain Fork Lifts and 4 four-wheel drive vehicles) in addition to up to 33 containers.
Vehicles and equipment are embarked by either the stern or side ramp or can be craned onboard using two 60 tonne cranes through large hatches in the flight deck. Disembarkation is either by the ramps or crane or, if there are no suitable port facilities, onto a beach using the two landing craft.

Landing Craft

These are 23 metres in length, 6.4 metre beam, 59 tonnes all up weight, capable of carrying 50 tonnes of cargo (eg: two LAVs), at 9 knots up to 250 miles. They are being built by Zwijnenburg, which is also constructing MRV modules.

Helicopters

Four NH90 helicopters can be carried as cargo in support of Army or disaster relief operations.

Medical Facilities
The MRV is fitted with a two-bed sick bay, an emergency operating theatre and a five-bed ward. It also has x-ray facilities, a small laboratory and a morgue.

Equipment
The MRV is fitted with navigation radars, an electro-optical surveillance system, communications and radar detection systems, underwater obstacle avoidance sonar, autopilot, a Global Positioning System, an electronic chart and display system, a range of civilian and military communications, computer networks, ships operations room, a joint operations room and a government agency room.

Machinery
Main propulsion is two Warstila (German) diesel engines driving two controllable pitch propellers in a Combined Diesel Electric and Diesel (CODLAD) arrangement. There are three auxiliary diesel engines and two bow thrusters (to facilitate berthing without the aid of tugs). It has a fresh water manufacture capability (reverse osmosis and evaporator systems) of 100 tonnes per day.

Boats
Two 7.4m self-righting rigid hull inflatable boats (RHIB) are carried primarily for boarding operations. Capable of 25 knots when fully loaded, with a range of 100 nm. Two special forces 11m RHIBs can be carried and launched from the MRV.
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de nouvelles photos sur le programme Protector

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tous les navires du programme

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l'Offshore Patrol Vessel
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l'Inshore Patrol Vessel

Et enfin les noms des différents navires
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The Delivery Schedule

MRV - CANTERBURY, Jan 07 (Christchurch/Canterbury)
OPV(1) - OTAGO, Apr 07 (Dunedin/Otago/Southland)
OPV(2) - WELLINGTON, Oct 07 (Wellington)
IPV(1) - ROTOITI, Jan 07 (Napier/Hawkes Bay)
IPV(2) - HAWEA, May 07 (Greymouth/Wesport/West Coast)
IPV(3) - PUKAKI, Sep 07 (Nelson/Marborough)
IPV(4) - TAUPO, Dec 07 (Whangerei/Northland)

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 16:03

Bravo Clausewitz, très intéressant! thumright

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 16:06

merci chef ! depuis que je sais comment intégrer des images aux posts, je me defoule sur tout les forums où je passe Mr. Green Mr.Red

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 16:10

Oui je vois çà! Ne te gènes pas pour nous en mettre des nouvelles! thumleft

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 16:14

pas de problème, si il y à pas de modo pour la catégorie "Océanie" je veux bien m'en occuper. Parmi les projets, je pense faire un post sur les fregates ANZAC australiennes et leurs jumelles néo-zelandaises, les type 471 ou classe Collins australiens et pour la France, peut être un sujet sur les BSL type Loire

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 16:17

Ok je te mets modo de la section Océanie. thumleft

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 25 Aoû 2006, 17:06

merci beaucoup ! cela me fera un peu de travail car la rubrique Scénario est en déshérance.
pour mon projet sur les fregates Anzac, je compte faire cela en forme de dossier avec une presentation de ces navires en français, des photos et des docs en anglais et pourquoi pas elargir sur les autres Meko en service dans les autres marines dans le monde.

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MessageSujet: new zealand navy   programme Protector EmptyDim 03 Sep 2006, 14:59

voici le L421 Canterbury dans son élément:

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyDim 03 Sep 2006, 15:54

Merci, c'est une belle bête!

Par contre la passerelle ressemble fortement à celle d'un ferry.
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magnifique photo ... thumleft

ben comme la majorite de ces nouveaux navires Amiral ... lol! regarde le deWitt hollandais et les British ... pour la classe BAY Mr. Green

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptySam 11 Nov 2006, 14:50

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptySam 11 Nov 2006, 15:07

Belle photos amiral, j'ai pas cherché tiens ce programme là moi Wink

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptySam 11 Nov 2006, 16:28

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyDim 12 Nov 2006, 14:21

pas mal les kiwis vont posséder de jolis jouets

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MessageSujet: protector   programme Protector EmptySam 25 Nov 2006, 14:43

lancement du HMNZS Otago le 19 11 2006:

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptySam 25 Nov 2006, 14:44

sorry, le 18 11.... Embarassed
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MessageSujet: RNZN   programme Protector EmptySam 17 Fév 2007, 16:23

petits problèmes...

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By NICK LEE-FRAMPTON, WELLINGTON
Posted 02/15/07 11:45

New Zealand’s Project Protector program to deliver seven new ships to the Royal New Zealand Navy is at least six months behind schedule, according to the country’s defense minister.
As recently as October, delivery of the 8,000-metric-ton multirole vessel HMNZS Canterbury officially was said to be on schedule for last December, with the program’s other six vessels — two 1,600-metric-ton offshore patrol vessels and four 340-metric-ton inshore patrol vessels — to follow between this month and December.
Australian company Tenix Defence is the prime contractor for the 500 million New Zealand dollar ($345.75 million) shipbuilding project.
But in a Feb. 14 news release, Defence Minister Phil Goff said all seven ships will be delivered over the next 18 months.
Problems with the Canterbury’s rudder and the ramps of its landing craft are partially responsible for the “slippage,” a Navy official said Feb. 15. However, the integrated logistics system, delivery of spares, training packages and maintenance plans also contributed to the delivery timetable being “adjusted by mutual agreement,” he said.
If, as is likely, the Canterbury needs to go into dry dock for remedial work, it will need to sail to either Sydney or Brisbane, as its “underwater profile” is incompatible with the dry docks available at Melbourne where the ship is now.
The reworked delivery schedule has Canterbury arriving by early June, seven months later than first planned.
The Navy official said the service is confident the revised schedule will be met.
“The expense of any remedial work required prior to ship delivery is met by the manufacturer, under contract, not the purchaser,” Goff said, so there will be no additional cost to New Zealand.
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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyDim 18 Fév 2007, 10:58

Vous trouvez pas que le Canterbury à un air de famille avec les Rotterdam ?

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyMer 23 Mai 2007, 05:23

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MessageSujet: Re: programme Protector   programme Protector EmptyVen 13 Juil 2007, 06:36

Le Canterbury à Wellington le 11 juillet 2007

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